Should we have an industry wide blacklist to better evaluate job applicants?
Call this the evil post of the day.
Every company has its share of horror stories with regards to hiring and professional employees. We provide training solutions on professionalism so we know the kind of painful unprofessional employees our IT industry deals with.
Despite following structured interviewing techniques, we have still stacked up our list of people to just not consider again.
The question is: Shouldn’t there be a way for the entire IT industry to “post” their blacklists into a common pool so all of the HR departments can share within themselves?
Think about the benefits for a second: I can goto a website, enter an NIC and get an immediate history of the candidate and his comments from other employers. For candidates, they could only swindle a company once or twice, because after that we would just know he wouldn’t be able to do anything.
There are other types of issues they can solve as well. Currently, the way companies opt to build some insurance for their hiring is to (1) ask for transcripts / job letters from previous employers and (2) check references. The basic reasons this is not an effective method is (1) Most Work Experience letters are too general (2) If I need someone desperately, I may not care too much about whether his basic credentials hold up
However, if some applicant burned me, wasted my time, worked for a week and stole things (that has actually happened with colleagues), then I would certainly ensure that I write this into the central blacklist so that atleast other companies dont have to suffer this fate.
I think there would be two different ways of approaching this:
1- Make it community driven
I may not want to know what company XYZ thought about a candidate because I could be in an unrelated field (e.g. Call Centers to Product Dev). But I would care who my trusted circle of colleagues have come across and are warning me about.
So perhaps we can have a way for groups of companies to form small networks where they can share their lists. This could make the system self balancing and protect companies from vandalism — if I invite someone into the group, then I am somewhat responsible for that person’s actions..
2- Make it completely anonymous.
Dont give me the company names, or the candidate names. Let me search on an NIC number, and give me completely anonymous comments from other companies. Then give my company a password to the system only if I register on PSEB.
There are some issues with things like this, where evil HR Managers could vandalise the system by, e.g. putting up their boss in the blacklist in case they’re having a bad day (yes, that has happened!)
But I think if the system is decentralized (as in #1 above), and you let people only maintain blacklists with small trusted groups, then this can be solved. See I would be able to detect any anomalies in the system much better than the system or service provider (e.g. PSEB) could, since I would know the other people in the group.
The overall question is: Is it fair on these poor candidates trying to make a living, to not give them another chance and stop their entire career based on minor mistakes?
From my perspective, yes. As much as we would like we are not charitable organizations — business is business, and I would rather protect the business of my partners because of someone who disrupts mine. Ofcourse, there would also need to be some good way of adding positive feedback about that employee as well to add the element of “giving another chance”
What do you think? Should companies seriously get together to attempt this? It would be good to get some thoughts from PSEB on this as well

February 14, 2007 at 9:43 am
one simple thought….
i have seen you always complaining about not getting the right persons for the job in Pakistani market I dont think black listing would be that much of a help.
Quality of education at our uni/college is so poor. Most of the IT graduates are unfimilira with the business terms and issues, they only know coding, IMHO they are not only one to blame, people like you sould step forward and train the ppl soo that they can be more productive. You post value able information.
business is busniess wat if u dont get the qualified ppl you want for the job???
isnt it better you hire some nearly 80-90% candiate and train it to ur 100% requiremnet.
it would be a valueable adition to industry and ur company.
February 15, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Hi Nausheen,
Thanks for the comments. I have a “professionalism” tag with a set of 24 free lessons and I hope people read those carefully for some basic tips.
We do actively mentor the people who work for us, and I am happy that my team is now getting up to speed with the quality of their work.
But I have a question for you, because it is based on something that has happened in this industry (I assure you not to us)…
What do you do about the person who joins a company, in three days steals confidential info and sells it to the US for $70,000?
Or what about the person who starts blackmailing the IT company’s customers that their data will be shared with their competitors unless THEY convince the IT company to give THAT person a raise?!
Or the person who signs a contractual agreement with a firm, and breaks it the next day…?
There are people in this industry that are beyond training on services or on professionalism… the trouble with those people are that they are unwilling to believe that their point of view about professional work could be wrong.
If a person is willing to look at work as an area of growth, then a mix of mentoring and training and convert the worst of attitudes, but for companies who do wish to get on with business, I argue that it would be just worth blacklisting those people and saving the trouble for all the fellow companies.
As a side note, only this industry is plagued with such immaturity — from what I hear the hospitality industry (hotels etc) are much more professional and take shared vested interest (wirh or without equity) into their work.
February 15, 2007 at 3:09 pm
Correction on the above: “It would just be worth blacklist those people” refers to those people are just 5-10% professional and steal and run around breaking contracts and not communicating their grievances as a team
February 19, 2007 at 10:33 am
well You are right in many ways,
but see the other way around as well,
companies like Elixir, abundand its QA dept. some time back, and One day ppl in dept had jobs next morning the whole dept was fired with out any notice, only reason thier american counter parts dint need services of QA any more, they didnt pay a sigle penny for the compensation
wats your view point abt this behavior, shount be their another black list of companies who treat their employees badly…
February 19, 2007 at 11:06 am
Hello Nausheen,
What you will also find is that I am a big advocate of companies taking care of their employees - you can find some of this on my recent posts about Rozee : http://greenwhite.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/rozee-firing-on-all-engines-and-getting-better-every-day/
There are a lot of IT companies who do not respect their employees enough. However, there are a LOT of employees who do not respect their profession at all!
The essence of professionalism starts with trying to become a part of whatever team you join. As a fundamental, anyone who is only thinking about himself at the sheer disregard of the company that is helping him pay the bills, would eventually just cause trouble wherever he works.
The ethical and moral decisions that help create highly effective teams will be missing.
I agree with you that this needs to be a balance, and in the Rozee post I explicitly suggest that Rozee should add a mutual rating system for both employers and employees.
March 6, 2007 at 3:40 pm
This does sound like a decent idea to have such information available for employers during hiring process. But what steps can be taken to ensure that information posted about potential employees is correct? Just wanted to state that what if an employer or manager posts something which is totally untrue about an employee? What kind of safeguards can be implemented to prevent such actions by employers?
In addition an employer should expect all employees to conform to highest ethical and professional standards but it just seems like its easy to punish an employee (individual) who might not conform to such standards then an employer itself. e.g. in US if you goto Forbes or cnn.money sites one can easily find “most admired” and “least admired” companies to work for but even having companies listed in “least admired” people are still working for such employers. But if there is such a list or database is put together in my humble opinion career of an employee/individual can be potentially over. Thanks
March 7, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Amir,
That really is the big question because unfortunately there are some employers that do that. I believe that if employers share their lists within trusted circles as I mentioned, and if one candidates “F” rating in one circle is independent of his/her rating elsewhere, this *could* work. The theory being that most managers would create trusted circles from within companies that represent similar but non-competing hiring trends.
Nevertheless, safeguarding against malice is an important step to build, and maybe the community can share some light on it (or I could when I have had enough coffee in me).
For the final comment (on ruining people’s careers), honestly there are people that deserve it. In my book any one person who is dishonest and outright lying to the boss to get ahead deserves a stop, and I will be the first to blacklist him from the industry if I could.
However, more fairly, if the system is in place and the brand is established, then all employees that ARE leaving a company on a good note can request them to “add a recommendation to the ‘industry candidate review’ instead of a letter of recommendation”.
Enough thumbs up and we he can rebuild a shattered credibility.
So how doesn’t someone give a blacklisted person another chance? Hmm… the bigger question is how do you stop people from outright lying? Most of the solutions require *some* degree of honesty on either side…
April 12, 2007 at 11:29 am
After reading all this, i just think you a pathetic looser. You shout business business but dont know even the abc of demand supply. If a person(due to his skills) is in demand, no blacklist prevents him to get employed. Its all about money.
You need help babes. and btw on what rocket science you are working. Pakistan has enough talent in CS.
April 12, 2007 at 6:39 pm
I shout Professionalism Professionalism as well, Sardar, and unless you are willing to write an objective comment which actually presents your point of view in a logical format, we wont get anywhere. I WOULD like to know what qualifies you to be so confident in your point of view as well.
If a certain skill set is in demand, the salary of that POST will rise *provided* that there is limited amount of *good* supply of candidates. However, if your supply channel is unreliable (see the Donald Trump post) then there is an economic incentive for the people downstream to insource the resource or find other suppliers, irrespective of how “in demand” that particular supplier feels about himself.
In fact come to think about it, if Knowledge Talent were a similar supply-chain to consumer electronics (which it might become in 4 years or so) then there is also an economic incentive to tell your close relationships and partners about unreliable suppliers.
As much as I’d like to believe that its all about money, I’d prefer to say that its about the economic value created from people working together.
Hope this helps. Cheers.
May 18, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Hi people i think u all be right …i am not here to help u solve the problem u all are right in ure own ways .But i am here and want some job ..or if u people are not that kind to give atleast suggest me where i find one ..i just completed the bs(hons)..i will be very thank ful to u all speaking of rights and making things right ..see ya buy
May 19, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Shamyl — go to greenwhite.org to continue this discussion — we’re also doing Career Counseling for free over there to avoid any issues such as the ones discussed in this post
May 19, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Thanks Osama
September 6, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Hi,
I think it’s a good idea but also leaves another problem for applicants that are conspired against wrongfully by one or more companies for some reason. This type of system should only be put in place if each person on the list can defend themselves based on the accusations made against them.
I filed a complaint against a company I worked for some years ago. In retaliation the company used private investigators and friends willing to tell lies, to meticulously put together lies about my personal life that were designed to encourage a company to terminate my employment. This information is secretly passed along to new employers and recruiters. The sad thing about this is that I was fired twice as a result of this and nobody ask for my side of the story. Some recruiters refuse to work with me as a result of the accusations. If there is a list like this available today and this company has knowledge of it I may have been wrongfully added to the list.
-Jim Smith
September 28, 2007 at 6:18 am
Hai, we are developing a portal for blacklisted employee. The process being started years back. We are doing research on the way of presentation and process. We will make it free for listing the data of blacklisted employee and restricted to access the data. But we will allow ,blacklistd employee to give his comments .We will publish is name after providing opportunity to say on the issue. We will appreciate , you all join with us be in our panel for developing the project
October 1, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Blacklist is utterly unethical. It takes one bad manager (and there are many of those) who can ruin someone’s life. Let’s see, someone wrongfully blacklisted will most likely ruin that persons life forever. A company getting burned because of an employee probably doesn’t even lose 0.000001% of it’s annual revenue. Bottom line a company can never be hurt as much by an employee than an employee can be hurt by a company.
October 2, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Are there already blacklists in existance? Do placement agencies keep one?
October 3, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Blacklists are corruptable extreemely due to dishonest management having it in for someone who is not of the same sex, race, sexual orientation or click group. I was dimissed due to discovering discrimination towards black operators, and my new femail wanted her middle aged overweitght white girlfriend in my position. She used her two henchmen to set me up compaining about this discrimination of higher level State of GA GTA discrimination against African Americans. I have been out of work for 16 of 18 months after 19 years of good to great performance reviews. There are now about seven white middle aged girlfriends in management and $100,000+ salaried positions. I have been blacklisted and such a black list destroys lives. Corporations and Government agencies have got to be more honest and responsible.
October 3, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Sorry previous femail spelling should be female. My bad. To add to the previous State of GA problem is in the UNIX group and the Oracle group once there were only white middle aged women working there due to the miniorities and men being discriminated against and harassed. These women have proven to be very dishonest. But, that is typical for the State of GA as well as discrimination practices against African Americans and white men.
November 29, 2007 at 6:07 am
Hello everyone,
I really admit with what Dean says,Blacklisting is very very unethical .i am also one of the sufferer for not commiting anything i have the knowledge potential and every leadership quality ,i have an overall 3 years of experience which was ruined at one shot but i am not a person to give up i will keep fighting now i have planned to go for MBA and omit all my past .Employers don’t know how much pain we take to get the exposure and Knowledge and how much pain we have to take when everything goes into vain.Hope the employers understand that always secong chance should be given.
December 1, 2007 at 10:21 am
I think that companies complaining about getting burned is fallacious in 99 % of the instances. Even though there are things that happen at work where one supervisor doesn’t like somebody else or false accusations are made, this doesn’t make the employee guilty so that they can be starved to death. If employers start doing this then it is time to do the same to them. These companies are so greedy they think that the time that an employee works for them under incompetent supervisors who don’t have anything productive to do except find fault with people is a swindle. Most of the problem in business comes from supervisors that are unable to communicate what they want to employees who shouldn’t be expected to know right away. If these companies have a beef in a person paying a hundred thousand bucks to get an education to go to work for some miserable son of a bitch that will blackball them because they weren’t able to brown nose some supervisor who is more concerned in his golf game than getting out on the floor and working with the employees, then maybe companies should start providing the education and paying for it to. That way they could get what they want. Most companies are so clueless when it comes to what type of knowledge will our employees need in 5 years, and provide feedback to educational institutions, that this can hardly be the schools fault, or the employee. Does somebody have to learn 9 computer languages, tech work, business, and project requirements etc. to be put into a position entering data into a database without being able to create a query? If business wants people to do what they want them to do, why don’t they train them to do that. Individuals and government student loans can’t continually subsidize business so that they can have a whining fit when everything isn’t exactly the way they want it. I think that employees should start forming secret lists of employers that treat hard working people like shit, and for organizations to prevent it, called unions. Enough of this BS.
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April 1, 2008 at 7:43 am
You guys are idiots! Blacklisting is currently a gross misdemenor. The underminig of the worker is the main reason you fools are going to have to deal with the revoloutiion.
You are next, right after the attorneys! (Julius Ceasar)